E:Exorcist
B:Beelzebub
E: I order you, in the name of the Most Holy Trinity, of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in the name of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, whose feast-day we celebrate today...!
B: You must all make Acts of Faith, Hope, Charity and Contrition. You must pray. We do not want to say anything today.
E: In the name... tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, in the name...!
B: We do not wish to say anything, we must not speak. Lucifer does not want us to speak. Lucifer does not want us to say what She (he point upward) wishes...
E: But the Most Blessed Virgin wishes...
B: But Lucifer hates her, the Great Lady up there (he points upward). He always gets in a great rage when the Great Lady obtains what She wants and what She has in her crowned head.
E: Tell the truth, in the name of the Most Blessed Virgin!
B: She (he points upward) is there. Naturally, She is exercising her high authority again; It is because today is the Feast of the Immaculate Heart.
E: Is the Most Blessed Virgin there?
B: And how she is there! She is almost crushing me - She nearly crushes me Beelzebub! If I had just recognized her! At that moment, She did not yet exist, but She was shown to us... as She would come.
E: In the name of the Most Blessed Virgin, tell the truth and nothing but the truth, and nothing except what the Most Blessed Virgin wishes!
B: She was shown to us... as She would come one day as the great co-redemptrix... the Great... Great Lady...
E: Was it as the Immaculate Conception She was shown to you?
B: In our majestic, angelic grandeur, we believed ourselves to be so much above Her... and so much higher, that we were not willing to allow one exceptional woman to be higher than us. This was also a powerful motive that contributed to our fall, in which we were hurled down below (he points downward).
E: Say what the Most Blessed Virgin orders you! In the name...!
B: Each day we became more gloomy. I must explain that in Eternity, one does not count in days, but speaking figuratively and according to your measurements, each day we became more gloomy, less majestic, so much so that Michael (the Archangel) who previously was still a little, unimportant angel… Ah! Michael, Michael! (At this name) we become frantic - that Michael, who was for us a little unimportant angel, can now exercise such domination and almost crush us. Almost everything that we lost has fallen to Michael's lot.
E: Is the Archangel Saint Michael now the greatest of the angels?
B: Alas, yes! From that time on.
E: Has he taken your place, and Lucifer's place, in Heaven?
B: It was very necessary that He, up there (he points upward) gave him an elevated rank, so that he can exercise angelic domination over the world as He, up there (he points upward) wishes and commands.
E: In the name...tell the truth! Do you have to speak about the Sacraments?
B: I should, but Lucifer does not agree - I must not speak.
E: ... Speak! Say what the Most Blessed Virgin wishes!
B: But then Lucifer is going to abuse me. It is better for me to keep my mouth shut.
E: What does the Most Blessed Virgin order?
B: We definitely do not like to hear what She (he points upward) says and wishes. Besides, She always wants so much, She always wants something. Let Her stay up there (he points upward), the Great Lady, since we really ought to stay down below. Let Her stay where She is! Let Her stop coming all the time to wrangle with us and to dictate to us!
E: But the demons are also in this world.
B: You are right, but owing to all that, it is in spite of everything, a rotten inferior place for us. She should not come all the time to wrangle with us and dictate to us.
E: In the name of the Most Holy Trinity... tell us the truth and say what you have to say, on behalf of the Most Blessed Virgin...!
B: It is a cursed thing for us... We would rather not speak about it. What that Woman up there wishes (he points upward) is not our province, it is not our business. She shouldn't come to upset our plans...
E: Be quiet about those things you are not required to say! Say what the Blessed Virgin wishes, nothing else! In the name...!
B: She always has these churchy ideas... I hardly dare to say that aloud: you will end up bringing us back to the point with holy water and blessings.
E: You are quite right that we will come with holy water and blessings. Speak, in the name...!
B: She says... that is the last straw for us: that She now wishes that! She says that you should get down on your knees and say first “Holy, holy, holy...” three times, then a “Rosary of Tears”.
But we say: you shouldn't pray; the more you pray, the more we will fight against you, because you provoke us. You will have the most beautiful life if you do not pray, if on the other hand, you do your own will.
E: We do not want the most beautiful life; we wish to do the Will of God.
B: And yet you will have only persecution, you will have only enormous misfortune.
(The prayers demanded: “Holy, holy holy...” three times, and the “Rosary of Tears” are said together)
B: We can easily do without that one (the “Rosary of Tears” - (He adds as an aside): Actually, “tears of blood” would he better than “tears”; but you should just say “tears.”
E: Would it be better for us to say: “For the tears and the tears of Blood”?
B: The two would be better... (he cries out)... (Turned towards a priest) Can't you take your paws off there? We don't want any of those consecrated paws... and no more roses!
THE HOLY SOULS / PURGATORY / INDULGENCES
E: In the name of the Most Blessed Virgin, Mary, in the name of all the Saints, and in the name of all the Guardian Angels whom we invoke...!B: The souls in Purgatory can also pray. If they can no longer do anything else, they can pray. They also can timidly mumble something for the Church. And if you invoke them for this reason, they must do it, and they do do it. They know what is now at stake. They know a great deal about it, particularly those who are in the higher stages.
E: That means that the souls in Purgatory wish to help us and to pray for the Church?
B: Those who are the lowest, where we can still see them - for there are many levels, if you like -they have little ability; they are for the most part, cruelly tormented. Those who are the lowest - when they have been very wicked people and have committed many sins - sometimes do not know if they are in Hell or if they have been saved. We can still see what is happening to those right at the bottom. They are in what is called the Inferior Lake.
E: But they will come out from it?
B: Only by means of an incalculable number of prayers and sacrifices... Many are staying there until the end of the world, and they are content...and all things considered, they bless God in complete submission that He has sent them down there. It is, you could say, the frontier between Hell and Purgatory.
E: But it is still Purgatory?
B: It is still Purgatory. But there especially, are found those souls which would have deserved Hell, but which, thanks to the sacrifices, the numerous sacrifices of people who offer themselves up, have been saved at the last moment.
We do not like talking about it; you should not pray for the souls in Purgatory; we don't like that. Those in Heaven (he points upward) say - Judas has already had to say it on October 31 (1976) - that the souls in Purgatory are now terribly disappointed. But let them suffer like that, let them hunger like that! We have to do it. You no longer need to gain the indulgences which the Church has granted when you pray. Let them starve! We have to suffer quite atrociously in Hell.
E: In the name... I ask you: can one still gain the indulgence TOTIES-QUOTIES[ on All Saints' and All Souls' Days?
B: Whatever one Pope has established, another cannot suppress simply and solely as you would take an old shoe back to the shoe-shop, because it is dirty or it no longer pleases you.
E: In the name... tell the truth and nothing but the truth!
B: When you give a present to someone, a very big present... we do not like talking about it... indulgences are presents of inestimable value, incomparable treasures for the poor souls in Purgatory; they are immense treasures.
When a big present is given to someone which pleases him enormously, gives him great joy, which keeps him occupied in a lasting way, and from which he gains some profit, then the giver cannot come and say: “I say, I made a mistake in giving you that present. You have played with it enough. Now, you must give it back to me...” That doesn't work. Then the recipient would reply: “No-you must be joking! Do you imagine that I am going to give you back the present which you gave me?” He would say: “Years have gone by - it is more than ten years since you gave it to me. I am keeping it and that's that. You can't take me to court for that. You should have thought about this before giving me the present.”
So it is with indulgences. Those up there make me say that the indulgences that one Pope has granted, another cannot purely and simply withdraw. For example, merely because beneath the aspirations: “Sweet Jesus, grant them eternal rest” or “Sacred Heart of Jesus, make me love You more and more”, there appeared the words “100 days” or “300 days” or “7 years” or something like that - merely because of that, there is far from sufficient reason for a Pope to suppress these indulgences.
But, to cut a long story short, that was not envisaged and ordered in that way by the Pope himself. What they wanted to do was absolute suppression of the whole thing. It was said: “Men no longer understand these indulgences - of 300 days, 7 years, the plenary indulgence... They believe that Purgatory is cut short by 300 days, or something like that That could have been the subject of sermons, to explain that these 300 days are ecclesiastical punishments, ecclesiastical penances according to ancient customs. The number of days corresponded to the time during which great sins had to be expiated, during which great sinners had no right to enter the church, but had to remain at the door. The penances that they used to do, the suffering that they used to endure, are what the indulgences represent.
We must still add this: these indulgences of 300 days or of 7 years were for all that, very little in comparison with what sinners used to have to undergo through ecclesiastical penances. It was a priceless present for the souls in Purgatory and also for men.